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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/authority-and-paying-your-dues/#comment-6440</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2012 06:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I tend to wildly overestimate my abilities, and sometimes have to tell myself things like: &quot;If you&#039;re so awesome now, just think about how awesome you&#039;ll be in 15 years.  Way more awesome, right?  Well, everyone else is already that awesome.&quot;

I think it strikes home a little more because it&#039;s easier to generalize my own experiences than anyone else&#039;s.  I can remember improving over time, and so it takes less of a leap of the imagination to see my future self being better than my present self.  It&#039;s harder to recognize that other people are already better than me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to wildly overestimate my abilities, and sometimes have to tell myself things like: &#8220;If you&#8217;re so awesome now, just think about how awesome you&#8217;ll be in 15 years.  Way more awesome, right?  Well, everyone else is already that awesome.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it strikes home a little more because it&#8217;s easier to generalize my own experiences than anyone else&#8217;s.  I can remember improving over time, and so it takes less of a leap of the imagination to see my future self being better than my present self.  It&#8217;s harder to recognize that other people are already better than me.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/authority-and-paying-your-dues/#comment-4901</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:41:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, and for other newbies, A Baseline for Front-End Developers was very helpful for me too. (http://rmurphey.com/blog/2012/04/12/a-baseline-for-front-end-developers/)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and for other newbies, A Baseline for Front-End Developers was very helpful for me too. (<a href="http://rmurphey.com/blog/2012/04/12/a-baseline-for-front-end-developers/" rel="nofollow">http://rmurphey.com/blog/2012/04/12/a-baseline-for-front-end-developers/</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/authority-and-paying-your-dues/#comment-4900</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2012 20:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I completely agree with Rachel Nabors, because I am that excitable newbie she talks about. I have my heroes too, though, and Rebecca Murphey is def one of &#039;em. Her JS-Assessment tool (https://github.com/rmurphey/js-assessment) gives me hope that I can somehow gauge where I&#039;m at in my professional development. Still I think it&#039;s hard to know because there&#039;s no absolute scale.

What makes a good developer? Is it the ability to quickly conceptualize solutions to problems? Having an encyclopedic knowledge of a subject? Is it being able to quickly and correctly answer any question someone &quot;tests&quot; you with? I don&#039;t dig into myself too much if I had to check the PHP or MDN docs for a hazily-remembered method name if my solution was on point, but I think some folks would.

When is the point someone can rightly and confidently say, &quot;I&#039;m worth $x&quot; and understand how x maps to their own skill level? Then there&#039;s the geographic issue of cost of living, where $50k may be comfy in some places, but in NYC it&#039;d be mandatory to start thinking about having several roommates. I&#039;ve had an employer think me smug for asking for what I consider a decent living wage, and it&#039;s impossible for me to tell whether I&#039;m actually being smug or they&#039;re just low-balling me. Being a newbie is tougher than people give us credit for. :-P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Rachel Nabors, because I am that excitable newbie she talks about. I have my heroes too, though, and Rebecca Murphey is def one of &#8216;em. Her JS-Assessment tool (<a href="https://github.com/rmurphey/js-assessment" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/rmurphey/js-assessment</a>) gives me hope that I can somehow gauge where I&#8217;m at in my professional development. Still I think it&#8217;s hard to know because there&#8217;s no absolute scale.</p>
<p>What makes a good developer? Is it the ability to quickly conceptualize solutions to problems? Having an encyclopedic knowledge of a subject? Is it being able to quickly and correctly answer any question someone &#8220;tests&#8221; you with? I don&#8217;t dig into myself too much if I had to check the PHP or MDN docs for a hazily-remembered method name if my solution was on point, but I think some folks would.</p>
<p>When is the point someone can rightly and confidently say, &#8220;I&#8217;m worth $x&#8221; and understand how x maps to their own skill level? Then there&#8217;s the geographic issue of cost of living, where $50k may be comfy in some places, but in NYC it&#8217;d be mandatory to start thinking about having several roommates. I&#8217;ve had an employer think me smug for asking for what I consider a decent living wage, and it&#8217;s impossible for me to tell whether I&#8217;m actually being smug or they&#8217;re just low-balling me. Being a newbie is tougher than people give us credit for. <img src='http://www.garann.com/dev/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: haliphax</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/authority-and-paying-your-dues/#comment-4040</link>
		<dc:creator>haliphax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FUCK. YES.

(Also, I third the Dunning-Kruger Effect mention. I see that shit all the time in my day job.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FUCK. YES.</p>
<p>(Also, I third the Dunning-Kruger Effect mention. I see that shit all the time in my day job.)</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/authority-and-paying-your-dues/#comment-3377</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2012 06:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ooops, just wanted to mention Dunning-Kruger...

I like this article http://successfulsoftware.net/tag/dunning-kruger/. According to the chart in it, the worst and the best in some skill are going to rate themselves quite the same, with the worst ones rating themselves higher then the second best. Talk about the standard employer&#039;s question &quot;rate your skills on the scale of 10&quot;. It totally defeats the purpose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops, just wanted to mention Dunning-Kruger&#8230;</p>
<p>I like this article <a href="http://successfulsoftware.net/tag/dunning-kruger/" rel="nofollow">http://successfulsoftware.net/tag/dunning-kruger/</a>. According to the chart in it, the worst and the best in some skill are going to rate themselves quite the same, with the worst ones rating themselves higher then the second best. Talk about the standard employer&#8217;s question &#8220;rate your skills on the scale of 10&#8243;. It totally defeats the purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Winslow</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/authority-and-paying-your-dues/#comment-3266</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin Winslow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 04:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A large part of this is well described by the Dunning-Kruger effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Basically, confidence in one&#039;s abilities is inversely proportional to actual understanding of the content.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A large part of this is well described by the Dunning-Kruger effect:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect</a></p>
<p>Basically, confidence in one&#8217;s abilities is inversely proportional to actual understanding of the content.</p>
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		<title>By: Rafe</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/authority-and-paying-your-dues/#comment-3235</link>
		<dc:creator>Rafe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 00:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In many ways I blame the phenomenon you describe on the unwillingness of experienced people to migrate to new toolsets over the course of their careers. You see new companies and projects built using the newest tools (which may or may not be a good choice), and they wind up hiring inexperienced people to work on them because most of the experienced people are working on projects where they use the same tools they used back when they were young Turks. 

I&#039;d love to see a breakdown of developers 10 or 15 years into their careers. What percentage are still developers? How many of them are using the same platform that they started out with? I think what we&#039;ll find is that the number of developers who have been around a good while and are still staying on the cutting edge of the field is very small, and very much in demand. So there are a huge number of projects out there that don&#039;t have any real senior leadership.  The senior people are either off hacking on mature projects or they&#039;re working at places like Google or Amazon.

What&#039;s left is in Lord of the Flies territory.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In many ways I blame the phenomenon you describe on the unwillingness of experienced people to migrate to new toolsets over the course of their careers. You see new companies and projects built using the newest tools (which may or may not be a good choice), and they wind up hiring inexperienced people to work on them because most of the experienced people are working on projects where they use the same tools they used back when they were young Turks. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see a breakdown of developers 10 or 15 years into their careers. What percentage are still developers? How many of them are using the same platform that they started out with? I think what we&#8217;ll find is that the number of developers who have been around a good while and are still staying on the cutting edge of the field is very small, and very much in demand. So there are a huge number of projects out there that don&#8217;t have any real senior leadership.  The senior people are either off hacking on mature projects or they&#8217;re working at places like Google or Amazon.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s left is in Lord of the Flies territory.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse Beach</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/authority-and-paying-your-dues/#comment-3203</link>
		<dc:creator>Jesse Beach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2012 17:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having worked exclusively with Drupal now for 2 years, what I&#039;ve learned about frameworks is they get staid, boring and stable as they age folks put time into them. Contrast that with any of the front end single page app frameworks vying for attention in the interwebs right now. Of course, a decade ago, we had a bit of a kerfuffle with CMS competition and the winners are the behemoths - WordPress, Drupal, Joomla - that many of us know today. We&#039;re going through this again with front end frameworks.

What I don&#039;t know because I wasn&#039;t involved in the web a decade ago, is how the crowd of innovators today differs from the crowds that spawned the mega CMSs, or the browsers, or the GUI operating systems, or the CLIs, that we all consider de facto today.

Reputation, prior work and demonstration of skill should inform the responsibilities that one is given. I know that when someone says they&#039;re a 9 out of 10 with CSS, they&#039;re going to get an interviewing grilling that has in one instance caused tears (I felt really bad about that though!). Tell me you&#039;re a 9 out of 10 with JavaScript and I&#039;m going to ask you to teach me something during the interview!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having worked exclusively with Drupal now for 2 years, what I&#8217;ve learned about frameworks is they get staid, boring and stable as they age folks put time into them. Contrast that with any of the front end single page app frameworks vying for attention in the interwebs right now. Of course, a decade ago, we had a bit of a kerfuffle with CMS competition and the winners are the behemoths &#8211; WordPress, Drupal, Joomla &#8211; that many of us know today. We&#8217;re going through this again with front end frameworks.</p>
<p>What I don&#8217;t know because I wasn&#8217;t involved in the web a decade ago, is how the crowd of innovators today differs from the crowds that spawned the mega CMSs, or the browsers, or the GUI operating systems, or the CLIs, that we all consider de facto today.</p>
<p>Reputation, prior work and demonstration of skill should inform the responsibilities that one is given. I know that when someone says they&#8217;re a 9 out of 10 with CSS, they&#8217;re going to get an interviewing grilling that has in one instance caused tears (I felt really bad about that though!). Tell me you&#8217;re a 9 out of 10 with JavaScript and I&#8217;m going to ask you to teach me something during the interview!</p>
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		<title>By: George Stephanis</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/authority-and-paying-your-dues/#comment-3174</link>
		<dc:creator>George Stephanis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 21:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While it is critical to not let buzz words dominate, you&#039;ve also got to keep aware of them.  Otherwise, you&#039;ll get trapped in the past, and you wind up using Adobe GoLive to create table-based websites with a HTML5 doctype and pretend that they&#039;re modern web standards.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is critical to not let buzz words dominate, you&#8217;ve also got to keep aware of them.  Otherwise, you&#8217;ll get trapped in the past, and you wind up using Adobe GoLive to create table-based websites with a HTML5 doctype and pretend that they&#8217;re modern web standards.</p>
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		<title>By: We are all noobs &#124; sabreuse</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/authority-and-paying-your-dues/#comment-3172</link>
		<dc:creator>We are all noobs &#124; sabreuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 19:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a nice self-defeating case of impostor syndrome, for the less confident among us; or the kind of junior dev arrogance that Garann talks about, for the otherwise [...]]]></description>
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