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		<title>By: Andy Davies</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/girl-ghettos-2/#comment-3146</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 14:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As someone who&#039;s been in software for a (long) while and dad to a 17 year old geeky girl...

Women have traditionally formed groups for both social reasons and to support each other (Women&#039;s Institute for example) but...

What seems to be happening in technology is some of the female only groups are formed as a &#039;defence mechanism&#039; because women are a minority and as you  highlight there are dangers in that.

I don&#039;t have a problem with women only groups but for everyone&#039;s benefit I think they have to be &quot;as well as&quot; not &quot;instead of&quot; mixed groups.

The questions I ponder over are things like:
Are women always going to be a minority in tech, and is that natural or is it a result of the environment.
If it&#039;s natural how do we support those women who want to go into tech?
If it&#039;s not natural how do we change things so more women go into and stay in tech?

Andy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who&#8217;s been in software for a (long) while and dad to a 17 year old geeky girl&#8230;</p>
<p>Women have traditionally formed groups for both social reasons and to support each other (Women&#8217;s Institute for example) but&#8230;</p>
<p>What seems to be happening in technology is some of the female only groups are formed as a &#8216;defence mechanism&#8217; because women are a minority and as you  highlight there are dangers in that.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have a problem with women only groups but for everyone&#8217;s benefit I think they have to be &#8220;as well as&#8221; not &#8220;instead of&#8221; mixed groups.</p>
<p>The questions I ponder over are things like:<br />
Are women always going to be a minority in tech, and is that natural or is it a result of the environment.<br />
If it&#8217;s natural how do we support those women who want to go into tech?<br />
If it&#8217;s not natural how do we change things so more women go into and stay in tech?</p>
<p>Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Augustina</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/girl-ghettos-2/#comment-2512</link>
		<dc:creator>Augustina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 23:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wonderful blog entry Garann, definitely an issue near and dear to my heart ;D

I&#039;ve really benefited from being involved with women&#039;s groups in my career, and I&#039;ve also been frustrated by them. While at Adobe, some wonderful women started a happy hour for all the women at the company to interact. I was able to move from a shitty NOC position to a position on the InDesign Team in Release Engineering because of a woman dev manager I met there. On the flip side, I used to run Seattle LinuxChix and ended up disbanding the group because of the toxic negativity of some of the members. One thing I see that tends to crop up in some women&#039;s tech groups is an attitude that all men are bad and too much of a focus on negative things that have happened in the past. It got to the point where a few individuals were making public claims about other Open Source groups in the area in such a way that they were starting to isolate Seattle LinuxChix :(

Whenever I&#039;ve had the opportunity to work with other women (which is like never) I always reach out to them!! Some have become long term friends while others were clearly uncomfortable and not sure what to make of my friendliness. But yeah, to your comments, I think women are traditionally a lot harsher on other women in tech. And while I agree it&#039;s important to seek out women&#039;s groups, it&#039;s also important to keep a healthy mental balance (ie, men are not the enemy).

I wrote a blog entry for Ada Lovelace Day a few years ago about the topic... http://augustinalareina.wordpress.com/2009/03/14/ada-lovelace-day-post/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful blog entry Garann, definitely an issue near and dear to my heart ;D</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve really benefited from being involved with women&#8217;s groups in my career, and I&#8217;ve also been frustrated by them. While at Adobe, some wonderful women started a happy hour for all the women at the company to interact. I was able to move from a shitty NOC position to a position on the InDesign Team in Release Engineering because of a woman dev manager I met there. On the flip side, I used to run Seattle LinuxChix and ended up disbanding the group because of the toxic negativity of some of the members. One thing I see that tends to crop up in some women&#8217;s tech groups is an attitude that all men are bad and too much of a focus on negative things that have happened in the past. It got to the point where a few individuals were making public claims about other Open Source groups in the area in such a way that they were starting to isolate Seattle LinuxChix <img src='http://www.garann.com/dev/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Whenever I&#8217;ve had the opportunity to work with other women (which is like never) I always reach out to them!! Some have become long term friends while others were clearly uncomfortable and not sure what to make of my friendliness. But yeah, to your comments, I think women are traditionally a lot harsher on other women in tech. And while I agree it&#8217;s important to seek out women&#8217;s groups, it&#8217;s also important to keep a healthy mental balance (ie, men are not the enemy).</p>
<p>I wrote a blog entry for Ada Lovelace Day a few years ago about the topic&#8230; <a href="http://augustinalareina.wordpress.com/2009/03/14/ada-lovelace-day-post/" rel="nofollow">http://augustinalareina.wordpress.com/2009/03/14/ada-lovelace-day-post/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://www.garann.com/dev/2012/girl-ghettos-2/#comment-2492</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I go back and forth on this issue as well. While I&#039;ve definitely enjoyed and benefited from participating in tech women&#039;s groups, I&#039;ve reduced my involvement to just a few. I grew impatient with the often general nature of the women&#039;s groups--&quot;women in tech&quot; would include marketing, SEO, recruiting, design, HR people, and the discussions would be rather unfocused and not beneficial.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I go back and forth on this issue as well. While I&#8217;ve definitely enjoyed and benefited from participating in tech women&#8217;s groups, I&#8217;ve reduced my involvement to just a few. I grew impatient with the often general nature of the women&#8217;s groups&#8211;&#8221;women in tech&#8221; would include marketing, SEO, recruiting, design, HR people, and the discussions would be rather unfocused and not beneficial.</p>
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